Thoughts on Hosted Email Solutions
August 2, 2007
Zimbra sucks. There, I said it. It doesn’t fit my idea of what a good webmail system is. It is bloated, slow and unreliable (our provider couldn’t keep the server up). That’s my opinion, so don’t make any decisions before you use it yourself.
I’ve switched our company to a hosted Microsoft Exchange solution. Don’t get me wrong: the idea of relying on Microsoft for anything gets under my skin, but the hard truth is that Exchange is the best Collaboration software available. It goes beyond email including calendars, contacts, projects and the like — all with the potential of being shared across the system. What puts it over the top is the integration with Outlook and Entourage (think Outlook for Mac).
Personally I would never use this system. But I have to keep the needs of others in mind, specifically project managers, the marketing department, executives, et cetera. They’re all much more reliant on said features.
(For what it’s worth, we’re using AppRiver.)
The Joyent Connector Collaboration Suite looks promising — So much so that I’ve switched my SuperJared.com email to their platform.
But there are issues. Seriously, on the “production” version there are certain things that make it downright unusable for certain things.
Broken Things
- When viewing a message, you can click a person’s name to send an email to that person, except that it doesn’t pass the email address correctly.
- Next to the name is a plus sign so you can add that person to your contacts; This fails to pass the email address as well, but also won’t parse names with more than two names properly, e.g. “Lee Harvey Oswald” is only captured as “Lee Harvey”.
- Replying to messages causes HTML entities to show up in the textarea in which you write your message. I can deal with this, but many others would have no idea what’s going on.
- Viewed messages are placed between
<pre>tags which causes two problems:- HTML messages usually have plenty of newlines in the code, just like any HTML page, however each newline is viewed as a page break, causing portions of the message that normally wouldn’t break to look terrible. Quite often the top of an HTML message is many lines down — You’d have to scroll just to get to the start of the email.
- This one really gets under my nerves: text messages do not wrap unless wrapped by the sender’s client. You usually get one long line of text, requiring a horizontal scroll bar.
Missing Things
- You can’t invite someone to a calendar event; You can ‘notify’ them, but this doesn’t do anything for those not in your Connector Suite. This was the first deal-breaker when deciding not to go with this platform for Cuker Design.
- Server-side rules, although this one is supposedly coming soon. It can be tough to sort through vast amounts of email without rules, so this must be in place before I give anyone a solid recommendation.
Annoyances
- You can’t compose an email without going to the email tab first. There should be a rollover event (or something!) that is accessible from anywhere in the suite.
- Another part of the Connector is the Lists application which does exactly what you’d think it does. Unfortunately you can’t modify the lists without going to the list’s page first, even though you can view them from other parts of the Suite. This seems to be the desired effect, however when you have a list with a check box (think “To Do”), the check box is still shown in that “read-only” mode, giving the false impression that I can click the checkbox and have that change be saved.
This shouldn’t be considered a comprehensive list. These are issues I’ve come across in the last week or so using the platform, in the limited capacity that I do.
Despite these issues, I love the Joyent Connector Collaboration Suite, I just don’t feel it’s ready for prime-time. Having recently open-sourced it, Joyent took a step forward in making this the best damn system available, even if it is written using Ruby on Rails.
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Hi there. We were disappointed with Zimbra too. It *barely* qualifies as open source ... most customers are going to need the "network edition" which you have to pay for anyway. And you're right, it's a pig for resources.
We ended up going with Citadel [http://www.citadel.org] for our customers who are either cost-conscious or Microsoft-averse (or both). 100 percent GPL code, and its resource requirements are an order of magnitude smaller than Zimbra's.
Posted by Hellman
I am losing business, because I can't get my Emails on time since my franchise (Sutton Group Realty) switched to this STUPID system. I am no computer person, but been working with them for over 25 years and I have NEVER seen anything this STUPID. Now I feel like a captive hostage because to switch my Email address means that I have to make new business cards, signs, flyers, pens, magnets, etc. ZIMBRA SUCKS the BIG ONE >:-(
Posted by Sutton Realtor
You should look at Kerio MailServer (http://www.kerio.com). We have been using it for some of our customers for some years now and it has all the most used features from M$ Exchange.
Posted by io.is
There goes several days of my life on another retarded Linux package. Zimbra Sucks; should be a logo with it pleasuring a Penguin.
On the upside: there are great people out there trying to hash things out, great Wiki too. To those people, "keep fighting the good fight". Not all of us can hold down enough Redbull to maintain this beast.
Posted by TheRover
Zimbra has to be the worse email client ever! And so S-L-O-W!!!!
Posted by Grace56
Zimbra Sucks! Let me count the ways! We used to use Groupwise which is an absolute DREAM compared to Zimbra!! Tell everyone to stay away from Zimbra! Follows is a list of some of the problems we've had:
When I click close or delete from within an e-mail, Zimbra shuts down.
Even though I have selected "Remember me on this computer" numerous times, I frequently have to put in a password.
I changed my preferences to show the checkboxes for the e-mails, but the checkboxes will not return.
You can't retract e-mail like in Groupwise.
You can't view who has seen or deleted your e-mail like in Groupwise.
Contacts take forever to load.
Even with a valid e-mail address, it will give you a message that the e-mail address is not valid.
Zimbra will not refresh to get new e-mail automatically like Groupwise did.
You can't view who messages are to.
You can't set the view to see the e-mail address as opposed to just the nickname of the sender.
You can't open an e-mail and use it as a notepad to type from other e-mails or from a Word document.
You can't insert a URL for people to click on.
You can't copy from an e-mail.
In Groupwise you could put a task on your calendar and it would follow you from day to day until you marked it complete. Can't do it in Zimbra.
Many times when I click on Address book, I get a running script error box.
In Groupwise you could make your new e-mail always show a space to insert a BC, but you can't do it with Zimbra.
I get more SPAM with Zimbra than with any other e-mail program I've ever used.
You can't open more than one e-mail to compose at a time; something I used to do a lot with Groupwise when I was sending similar information to different people.
ETC.
Posted by LynneAR